1953 Ford Jubilee HELP

Ramsay · Nov 23, 2020

I was having issues with it starting (it would not start). I replaced the battery, starter solenoid, resistor and coil . The new coil has an
internal resistor, so I just connected the wires from the external resistor and it started and ran better than it has since I have owned it.
That was until I was mowing the pasture and a branch pulled the wires that were connected and the tractor stopped immediately. I reconnected
the wires and it will not restart, not even turn over? I had a new starter solenoid, I had a spare, still will not start. Checked voltage
13.1 (it is a 12volt conversion) at the solenoid, to the ignition , to the coil ... but when I check between the wires that were connected
to the resistor the voltage starts around 12.8 then immediately starts going down to 1.0 . I don't know if the Terminal Block ?

Royse · Nov 23, 2020

I think we need some clarification.
What wires are "connected"? The ones that used to be on each end of the resistor?
How are you checking the wires that were connected? Across the connections?
What wires were pulled off? If it is the ignition wires, they wouldn't keep if from turning over.

Ramsay · Nov 23, 2020

yes the ones that were connected to the old resistor. I have checked those same wires with a multimeter one wire to each lead. They, once
connected together or through the resistor go to the Terminal Junction Box. That is why the question "if" it could be that ?

Royse · Nov 23, 2020

If you're measuring from connector to connector in the wires to the
coil that are now connected together, there should be no voltage
measured there unless you have a bad connection.
Still, they wouldn't stop the starter from rolling the engine.

Pete in Holland MI · Nov 23, 2020

Ditch the external resistor heading to the coil. Replace the coil with a 905 NAPA coil and run 12 volts directly to it. Did that to my Jubilee 6 years ago when it was converted from 6 to 12 volt. Just did it today on my Farmall Cub. It had been converted from 6 to 12 by the prior owner, but still had the resistor. Was running it yesterday and it abruptly quit. Diagnosis showed that the resistor had failed. Save yourself some headaches, spend the $42 and get the correct coil for the conversion.

Royse · Nov 23, 2020

I agree with your reasoning Pete.
Napa IC14SB or equivalent works well.
About $15 here in Ionia county Michigan.
Still wouldn't stop the starter from turning the engine though.
That's the part that I haven't figured out yet.

Ramsay · Nov 24, 2020

I did put an upgraded coil, that is why I temporarily just connected the wires together. I was just happy to get it running and wanted to
mow the pasture. I will change out the wire today(one continuous from coil to Terminal block)

Ramsay · Nov 24, 2020

thank you, I did in fact change it out. I just temporarily connected the wire that went to the coil(eliminating the resistor), I was just happy to have it running. that is when the branch pulled the wire apart and it stopped. I will change out the wire, for a continuous one, I just am confused as to why it will not turn over?

Royse · Nov 24, 2020

Does it still use the original neutral safety switch?
What happens when you push the start button? Any noise?
Do you have 12V on the small wire to that switch and does it drop to zero when pressed?

TheOldHokie · Nov 24, 2020

(quoted from post at 08:05:52 11/24/20) thank you, I did in fact change it out. I just temporarily connected the wire that went to the coil(eliminating the resistor), I was just happy to have it running. that is when the branch pulled the wire apart and it stopped. I will change out the wire, for a continuous one, I just am confused as to why it will not turn over?

Forget the coil, resistor, and everything else in the ignition circuit. Trouble shoot the starting circuit.

TOH

Ramsay · Nov 24, 2020

Thank you, I will check it out today

Ramsay · Nov 24, 2020

That portion is original, No noise when button pushed.
I have a new starter pedal/button I was going to change that out. The new starter solenoid has that start button on it too, no noise when
pushed .

Jim L WA · Nov 24, 2020

What TOH said, you have two different cases of trouble going on. Try making sure the battery connections are clean and tight. Then try bypassing the solenoid TRACTOR OUT OF GEAR.

duey · Nov 24, 2020

GROUNDING problems are not as intuitive to troubleshoot... but often cause more trouble than 'power' problems..

Ramsay · Nov 24, 2020

Thank you Sir
I went through the system, and it may be the actual starter. I checked voltage to starter, when I push the "starter" button on solenoid, it
gets the 12.9 volts. It does not turn over. I tried jumping the solenoid -no start .

Ramsay · Nov 24, 2020

Thank you Sir,
I did try that, and no start. I think it is the actual starter. it is getting the voltage when attempting to start , but will not turn over. I tried "tapping" the starter, but still no start.

Ramsay · Nov 24, 2020

Thank you Sir,
I thought that may be an issue too. When I installed the new solenoid , I ran a ground to it as to make sure. I was checking the ground to starter , and it is good. But, I think the starter is bad , as when I try to start is gets voltage, but will not turn over. I tried the "tap " method on starter still will not turn over

Pete in Holland MI · Nov 24, 2020

All right......let's check the starter by itself. Follow these steps closely.

1) Block the tractor wheels so it won't start to roll.
2) Ensure the tractor is in neutral.
3) Turn the key switch to "on". Do NOT press the starter button during this whole event.
4) Bring a 12 volt jumper vehicle to the tractor.
5) Attach a positive lead from the positive terminal of the jumper vehicle battery, then to the wire lug on the tractor starter.
6) Attach the negative lead to the jumper vehicle negative terminal, then with the other end, touch the tractor block some place. When you touch (not clamp to) the block, you will get a spark, AND the starter motor should immediately start to turn, and maybe the tractor start up.

This is how you can jump start a 6 volt tractor from a 12 volt system. Jumping battery to battery will fry something. It also gets rid of all electrical switches and connections up stream of your starter motor. IF the starter turned the engine over, you have a problem with the wiring upstream of the starter. If the starter didn't turn, time to take the starter out and take it to a repair shop.

Let us know what you find.

Hope this helps......

Pete

Joe.S.AK · Nov 24, 2020

Excuse me --- it's me over here in the corner.

A few weeks ago the starter for 'Sally' ('40 9N) suddenly stopped working. I started out loosening the two starter mounting bolts a couple of turns, wiggled the starter a little and [size=18:00077c4f44][color=red:00077c4f44]Viola[/color:00077c4f44][/size:00077c4f44], it made a quiet clicking sound.

It was simply the gears not quite meshing correctly and then jamming. I just tightened those 2 bolts and it has been working 100% every day since.

Fast, easy, simple and sometimes being lucky helps - just like me :~)

Well worth trying as an initial step before going deeper into 'things'.

- Joe -

Ramsay · Nov 25, 2020

Thank you Sir,
I did what you said this morning, It is the starter- it does nothing ?
So like you said have to get it fixed , or a new one. Thank you for your guidance!

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