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Hines77

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I have 600 ford tractor either 55-56 I think? The last couple of years the points would be burned out. I replaced it with an electronic ignition last year and it ran fine. This year it wouldn't start. I put fuel addivite and new fuel in the tank it wouldn't start. I check the key to the coil with a test light it was good. I check the coil from the distributor with the test light and it was good. I check the pugs with a spark plug analyzer and the spark was white. I read online that the spark should be blue and replace the coil, it still was still white with the spark pug analyzer. I have had drain the fuel in the tank and put in new fuel, no start. I have cleaned out the sediment bowl and put the new filter, no start. I have turned the screw under the carburetor and gas was come out. I have put my hand over the air input of the carburetor and it has suction. I have put starting fuld in the carburetor still will not start. Does anyone have any suggestions?
 
Hines,You possibly folded your plugs,replace them with some NGK 3112 plugs they arr much better than champions or autolites.Replace them set gap at .025 then give it a snort of starting fluid into the carb intake when cranking it over.Try it without choke first just starting fluid.
 
I'm not familiar with a spark plug analyzer. Does white mean a weak spark? Is that why you read on line that, that meant the coil was bad? I don't know. However, have you looked inside the distributor cap and distributor itself for moisture? I'm betting on ignition trouble rather than fuel. Is your tractor a 6 volt or 12 volt? I ask, because burned points is caused by something else wrong. Bad condenser, key left on, 6 volt coil without a resister on a 12 volt conversion.
 
What I read online it should have blue streak. A mechanic said it should start even with a white streak .I have put in electronic ignition instead of points. It is 12 volt system.
 
(quoted from post at 14:16:57 04/20/19) What I read online it should have blue streak. A mechanic said it should start even with a white streak .I have put in electronic ignition instead of points. It is 12 volt system.
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ay attention.....what Den said, plugs probably fouled. Clean and dry or replace.
 
Put in new plugs no start. I also put in starting fluid no start. Do you think I should replace the electron ignition?
 
Hines,#1 is the battery good and fully charged it must be!Does it have spark at all 4 plug wires that will jump a 1/4",using a spark tester or a old plug opened up a 1/4 " grounded on the head.DO you have the firing order correct,Have you had the distributor out.You may need to do a compression test to see whats up.Or you could try a teaspoon of motor oil down each plug hole to bring the compression up after being flooded and the cylinders washed out.
 
The battery is new and charged. I didn't test with new pugs but with old plugs, I did have a white spark. It has electron ignition.
 
I have put a new coil, plugs and ordered a new electron ignition. Could leaving the key on causes your electron ignition to go bad? But if the electron ignition did n't work there wouldn't be spark right?
 
Would you try taking the distributor out before putting a tablespoon of oil in plug hole? How hard is it to take out the distributor out?
 
[No dom't take the distributor out,I just asked if you have had it out .to know if it was out of time.Try the teaspoon or a squirt of oil with a pump can ect in the plug holes to bring up the compression before trying to start it.
 
(quoted from post at 15:06:56 04/24/19) Do you think the timing could be out sink? Could this be the reason for not starting?
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Hines,Question is Have you had the distributor out since it last ran?
 
(quoted from post at 17:54:02 04/22/19) I have put a new coil, plugs and ordered a new electron ignition. Could leaving the key on causes your electron ignition to go bad? But if the electron ignition did n't work there wouldn't be spark right?
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Hines, last year I burned an EI out because my fire pager went off while I was working on the tractor. Didn't get back for over an hour.
 
Did you still have spark? When I put the park pug analyzer on it is a white spark. Should it be blue?
 
(quoted from post at 14:25:07 04/25/19) Did you still have spark? When I put the park pug analyzer on it is a white spark. Should it be blue?
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The presence of a spark indicates the EI is alive and switching. The presence of a weak spark indicates a problem with the coil or secondary wiring. The weak spark needs to be fixed but may not be the root cause of your no start. If it were me I'd make getting the spark situation corrected step one on my pert chart.

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 14:43:33 04/25/19)
(quoted from post at 14:25:07 04/25/19) Did you still have spark? When I put the park pug analyzer on it is a white spark. Should it be blue?
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The presence of a spark indicates the EI is alive and switching. The presence of a weak spark indicates a problem with the coil or secondary wiring. The weak spark needs to be fixed but may not be the root cause of your no start. If it were me I'd make getting the spark situation corrected step one on my pert chart.

TOH
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aahhh, just keep guessing for another 5 days.....maybe it will heal itself? :roll:
Seriously,
Verify or eliminate things one at a time! Fuel? Measured spark (not color)? Compression? Timing (at least close)?
 
(quoted from post at 14:48:38 04/25/19)
(quoted from post at 14:43:33 04/25/19)
(quoted from post at 14:25:07 04/25/19) Did you still have spark? When I put the park pug analyzer on it is a white spark. Should it be blue?
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The presence of a spark indicates the EI is alive and switching. The presence of a weak spark indicates a problem with the coil or secondary wiring. The weak spark needs to be fixed but may not be the root cause of your no start. If it were me I'd make getting the spark situation corrected step one on my pert chart.

TOH
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aahhh, just keep guessing for another 5 days.....maybe it will heal itself? :roll:
Seriously,
Verify or eliminate things one at a time! Fuel? Measured spark (not color)? Compression? Timing (at least close)?
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Too easy - his way keeps the activity counter on the YT website clicking :twisted:

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 14:55:52 04/25/19)
(quoted from post at 14:48:38 04/25/19)
(quoted from post at 14:43:33 04/25/19)
(quoted from post at 14:25:07 04/25/19) Did you still have spark? When I put the park pug analyzer on it is a white spark. Should it be blue?
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The presence of a spark indicates the EI is alive and switching. The presence of a weak spark indicates a problem with the coil or secondary wiring. The weak spark needs to be fixed but may not be the root cause of your no start. If it were me I'd make getting the spark situation corrected step one on my pert chart.

TOH
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aahhh, just keep guessing for another 5 days.....maybe it will heal itself? :roll:
Seriously,
Verify or eliminate things one at a time! Fuel? Measured spark (not color)? Compression? Timing (at least close)?
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Too easy - his way keeps the activity counter on the YT website clicking :twisted:

TOH
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.....and YT needs it, as problem solving posts have been kinda slow for weeks.
 
(quoted from post at 15:06:38 04/25/19) What does Measured spark mean?
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he commercial one yield a quantative value in volts.
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Hines,The color of the spark means little to nothing,It is the distance it will jump in open air is what matters.
 
(quoted from post at 11:25:07 04/25/19) Did you still have spark? When I put the park pug analyzer on it is a white spark. Should it be blue?
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Don't worry about the color of the spark. When you are meeting a car on the road at night with the very high spectrum headlights, are they white or blue? It is up to the eye of the beholder unless you are viewing through a spectrometer. When my EI stopped working I could get a spark when first turning the ignition on. The problem was the at the EI would not reset.
 
(quoted from post at 18:16:42 04/25/19)
(quoted from post at 11:25:07 04/25/19) Did you still have spark? When I put the park pug analyzer on it is a white spark. Should it be blue?
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Don't worry about the color of the spark. When you are meeting a car on the road at night with the very high spectrum headlights, are they white or blue? It is up to the eye of the beholder unless you are viewing through a spectrometer. When my EI stopped working I could get a spark when first turning the ignition on. The problem was the at the EI would not reset.
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ep, those shorted transistors just don't "reset".. Your key switch was acting as the breaker points.
 
I replaced the EI still no start. I have a white spark. So are you saying to replace the starter switch?
 
(quoted from post at 08:10:56 04/29/19) I replaced the EI still no start. I have a white spark. So are you saying to replace the starter switch?
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Hines,As stated several times,What is the gap distance that the spark will jump,with a spark tester or a opened up plug?
 
Thanks to everyone for the information ! finally got my tractor going. My neighbor came over and he is a good mechanic, For some reason, the firing order was wrong on the plugs. He took out the first plug and put his finger to feel the position of the piston and adjusted the distributor and it started and runs great, I don't know how it ran before.
 
(quoted from post at 09:49:59 05/01/19) Thanks to everyone for the information ! finally got my tractor going. My neighbor came over and he is a good mechanic, For some reason, the firing order was wrong on the plugs. He took out the first plug and put his finger to feel the position of the piston and adjusted the distributor and it started and runs great, I don't know how it ran before.
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Question: "Hines,Question is Have you had the distributor out since it last ran?"
Reply:"No".
Much later:"....and put his finger to feel the position of the piston and adjusted the distributor and it started and runs great, I don't know how it ran before.".
Well, I have heard or maybe read on the internet that there are some gang of timing-protesters roaming about in the darkness, mis-adjusting distributors. Rumor is that they want the whole world to go distributor less.
 
(quoted from post at 10:34:05 05/01/19)
(quoted from post at 09:49:59 05/01/19) Thanks to everyone for the information ! finally got my tractor going. My neighbor came over and he is a good mechanic, For some reason, the firing order was wrong on the plugs. He took out the first plug and put his finger to feel the position of the piston and adjusted the distributor and it started and runs great, I don't know how it ran before.
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Question: "Hines,Question is Have you had the distributor out since it last ran?"
Reply:"No".
Much later:"....and put his finger to feel the position of the piston and adjusted the distributor and it started and runs great, I don't know how it ran before.".
Well, I have heard or maybe read on the internet that there are some gang of timing-protesters roaming about in the darkness, mis-adjusting distributors. Rumor is that they want the whole world to go distributor less.
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They had to have something to do after all the old well pumps with handles disappeared. Good news is he was only down for 10 days more give or take a couple :roll:

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 07:34:05 05/01/19)
(quoted from post at 09:49:59 05/01/19) Thanks to everyone for the information ! finally got my tractor going. My neighbor came over and he is a good mechanic, For some reason, the firing order was wrong on the plugs. He took out the first plug and put his finger to feel the position of the piston and adjusted the distributor and it started and runs great, I don't know how it ran before.
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Question: "Hines,Question is Have you had the distributor out since it last ran?"
Reply:"No".
Much later:"....and put his finger to feel the position of the piston and adjusted the distributor and it started and runs great, I don't know how it ran before.".
Well, I have heard or maybe read on the internet that there are some gang of timing-protesters roaming about in the darkness, mis-adjusting distributors. Rumor is that they want the whole world to go distributor less.
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JMOR, I don't remove the distributor to replace either wires or plugs.
 
(quoted from post at 12:47:21 05/01/19)
(quoted from post at 07:34:05 05/01/19)
(quoted from post at 09:49:59 05/01/19) Thanks to everyone for the information ! finally got my tractor going. My neighbor came over and he is a good mechanic, For some reason, the firing order was wrong on the plugs. He took out the first plug and put his finger to feel the position of the piston and adjusted the distributor and it started and runs great, I don't know how it ran before.
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Question: "Hines,Question is Have you had the distributor out since it last ran?"
Reply:"No".
Much later:"....and put his finger to feel the position of the piston and adjusted the distributor and it started and runs great, I don't know how it ran before.".
Well, I have heard or maybe read on the internet that there are some gang of timing-protesters roaming about in the darkness, mis-adjusting distributors. Rumor is that they want the whole world to go distributor less.
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JMOR, I don't remove the distributor to replace either wires or plugs.
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nly someone who didn't know jack would do so on a side mount!
 
(quoted from post at 10:20:06 05/01/19)
(quoted from post at 12:47:21 05/01/19)
(quoted from post at 07:34:05 05/01/19)
(quoted from post at 09:49:59 05/01/19) Thanks to everyone for the information ! finally got my tractor going. My neighbor came over and he is a good mechanic, For some reason, the firing order was wrong on the plugs. He took out the first plug and put his finger to feel the position of the piston and adjusted the distributor and it started and runs great, I don't know how it ran before.
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Question: "Hines,Question is Have you had the distributor out since it last ran?"
Reply:"No".
Much later:"....and put his finger to feel the position of the piston and adjusted the distributor and it started and runs great, I don't know how it ran before.".
Well, I have heard or maybe read on the internet that there are some gang of timing-protesters roaming about in the darkness, mis-adjusting distributors. Rumor is that they want the whole world to go distributor less.
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JMOR, I don't remove the distributor to replace either wires or plugs.
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nly someone who didn't know jack would do so on a side mount!
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So why then is it so important to know if Hines had removed his distributor? when nobody would have?
 
(quoted from post at 15:37:46 05/01/19)
(quoted from post at 10:20:06 05/01/19)
(quoted from post at 12:47:21 05/01/19)
(quoted from post at 07:34:05 05/01/19)
(quoted from post at 09:49:59 05/01/19) Thanks to everyone for the information ! finally got my tractor going. My neighbor came over and he is a good mechanic, For some reason, the firing order was wrong on the plugs. He took out the first plug and put his finger to feel the position of the piston and adjusted the distributor and it started and runs great, I don't know how it ran before.
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Question: "Hines,Question is Have you had the distributor out since it last ran?"
Reply:"No".
Much later:"....and put his finger to feel the position of the piston and adjusted the distributor and it started and runs great, I don't know how it ran before.".
Well, I have heard or maybe read on the internet that there are some gang of timing-protesters roaming about in the darkness, mis-adjusting distributors. Rumor is that they want the whole world to go distributor less.
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JMOR, I don't remove the distributor to replace either wires or plugs.
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nly someone who didn't know jack would do so on a side mount!
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So why then is it so important to know if Hines had removed his distributor? when nobody would have?
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eading the entire thread from the beginning, you will see that the man had stated that he had no start with fuel, then no start with ether, but had spark, so, .....Den N Ms no doubt suspected timing, and asks if he is sure of firing order & perhaps suspects the timing might be incorrect if the fellow had removed the distributor. So, he asks. Seems logical and simple, huh?
 
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