esox21

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We have a 72 2520, it is the 6th 72 and the 3rd gas built. I know a lot of 2520s were converted to diesel. It's in good shape. What kind of money could it fetch? I know a lot of you hate gas, but coming from a collectors perspective. And honestly guys, if your a multi tractor collector what is the rareness worth?
 
Is it Powershift or Synchro? From what I have seen that makes the biggest difference. Also, is it narrow or wide front? Some pictures might help? I see people asking a lot for the Synchro's but I don't know if they fetch what they ask. Hopefully with more info others on here will have some idea. Paul
 
It's a syncro, new rubber all the way around, wide front, single hyd, dif lock, full 3pt I'll try to get pictures she is tucked in shed.
 
2494 gas syngros made.Being a 72 will help being the 6th one is just a number.You are pretty much first or last or somewhere in between. Original paint and hours make a difference.If it was a diesel which it isn't it would be worth2/3 times as much.It is worth what someone will pay.I tell people that if the buyer thinks it to high and seller thinks its too low your pretty close.You probably wont like my number of $6K.Have a 239D installed correctly $12K+. but then you wont want to sell it.Tractor House isn't a true value just asking prices
 
B&D the seller should be made aware at purchase.There were two on one auction in Wisc. that Machinery Pete covered auctioneer stated up front and they brought $14K+ if I remember right .You are correct repowers are just that and are not originals.I bought one the guy couldn't sell that was very nice and it sold right away.
 
I think there still could be more people just buying them for a using tractor than just a collector.
 
Mike I agree most people that buy tractors have a job for them.I have never had one too good to use.I would much rather see one working as sitting at a show with[Do Not Touch] sign.Mine usually have FOR SALE sign.
 
A couple years ago I went completely through 2 2510's for a guy, both Diesels, one narrow front, both sychro's, went front to rear on "every thing" re-sealed steer motors, pumps, re-built the engines, clutch, transmissions, axle seals, pump & injectors, starters, ect..he then sent them some where to be painted,, I haven't seen them since they left here, but he was not going to use them, was putting them in his collection...He spent some serious money on them...
 
(quoted from post at 10:36:55 03/06/15)
That same new purchaser might have a BIG :) on their face as they pull away from the diesel storage tank after a fuel refill.

That smile is likely to be a grimace . if it's just a collector tractor or an odd jobs or seasonal use under 200hrs a year. How many of those 2510/2520 are going out to perform primary and secondary tillage, planting and harvest of 200 acres of crop? Last time I looked Diesel fuel costs more than gasoline per gallon and per btu. Paying the premium for a diesel 2510/2520 and costly work such as injection system service . It will be many thousands of hours before the break even point is reached.
 
Well at least diesel fuel does not turn to junk in the fuel tank in a month. And if you ever spent any seat time on both a gas and a diesel 2510-2520 you would know that the diesel will out perform the gas hands down. A good 2510 diesel will almost out perform an early 3020. On a cold day you have to drive a 2510 gas powershift an hour before you have enough power to even think of shifting it to high gear.
 
First let me say that I respect all of your opinions very much, some of you are some serious tractor nuts. But I honestly think some of your thinkings are a tad behind. First I will never argue gas vs diesel, we all know which is best! I'm betting that most of us here have a diesel. I know that most of the tractor jockeys have a tuff time selling gas. That may be the reason for the hate. But let's consider production. Low gas production, especially when you talk about 1972 year. Now there are some that don't regard that the 72 is king of collectors. I know a lot of you may not agree with my thinking.
 
I agree with you guys on the diesel thing...
if you bought it knowing it was a diesel
burner, who cares if it was originally a gas???

If it was repowered with anything newer, there
are no drawbacks, only benefits. Better sleeve
and o ring design for one. More power and
likely better economy too.

And there's no secrets on the serial number
tag, provided one knows how to read the 3rd
digit. I would assume someone worried enough
if his tractor had the original block would
know that much.
 
Another thing on the fuel cost... in my neighborhood it is easy to get off road diesel, lowering the cost to the same or near as regular gas. Getting all the gas tax refunded on "tractor gas" involves waiting a year to get your tax refund IF you can document what you burned only in your tractor.
 
(quoted from post at 18:39:42 03/06/15) Another thing on the fuel cost... in my neighborhood it is easy to get off road diesel, lowering the cost to the same or near as regular gas. Getting all the gas tax refunded on "tractor gas" involves waiting a year to get your tax refund IF you can document what you burned only in your tractor.

Just saying #1 it is 2015 and not 1972. #2 who is using a 2510/2520 enough to make the diesel cheaper to operate than a gasser? #3 what has been the trend in the pump price of gasoline and diesel since 2006 ?
 

What were the Nebraska test results on the 2510/2520 diesel and gasoline engines? I'll believe the nebraska test reports before Bubba's seat of the pants dyno report.
 
We've got a 2520 gas powershift unit that My grandpa bought new. It was the tractor I first learned how to drive on raking hay. When it was first bought it was the biggest tractor on the place. not too hard when all the other tractors were "A"s and "B"s. My grandpa bought the gas version because at that time Half the tractors out there were gas, and some old boys didn't want the hassle of wondering if a 20 series diesel would start when it's -20. They were afraid of the unknown.

I know they used it for everything, from running a square baler, to raking hay, to sweeping hay. it was small enough to clean sheds with it's 148 loader, but not big enough to do much else. definitely doesn't have the power..

Fuel consuption is poor. it will consume around 3-4 gph when run hard. and alot of times I find myself using it to power the generator just to keep the gas from getting old between haying seasons.

I'm not sure it's up to the task of pulling the new 28' vermeer V rake this year that weighs 5,000 lbs. We shall see.

I'd love the tractor more if it was a diesel, but at this point, it's not worth anything, but it would cost me alot to replace it all things considered. so, I keep it.

How can I tell what year this one is?
 
The fix is to take the gas engine and toss it in
the corner of the shop to go with the tractor if
ever sold. When the guy comes to get the
tractor, load that sputtering, bogging, cold
collared, fuel sucking gutless wonder of a boat
anchor in the back of his truck and tell him to
get to swapping if he's that concerned with
originality.

I cant see anything but improvement from swapping
to the 219/239 or even the 4.5L Powertech diesel.
I'd sure give more for it that way.
 
Post the serial number and one of us will look it up, I think you have a rare unit, not many like that one made...
 
We put some 276's in 2510's and 20's back in the old days when you could buy a crate engine complete for a good price...
 
I put 250 hours on mine last year... not a lot,
but some. My post above was meant to
demonstrate that even in years like the last 6,
if you have access to off road diesel the fuel
cost is about the same. Not paying the road
tax is worth 50+ cents a gallon here in WI.

That puts it about even with gasoline at the
pump. While you can get a gas tax refund, it
isn't simple. I'm not sure how many farmers do
any more.

If the fuel price is the same, where's the
economy in keeping some gas pig around???
 
I already know what it is. I had Mr.Cherry archive it. It's the 6th 1972 2520 made. And the 3rd gas motor made for 1972.
 
This is a great conversation! I personally dont think you"ll ever run enough gas or diesel through one of these small tractors to make a huge difference in the long run. B&D'S seat of the pants dyno report cracks me up, and is entirely true, due to the diesel engine torque characteristics. Gasoline engines NEVER operate like their diesel counterparts.
 
If your doing winter feeding on a remote farm you can stuff that diesel! Never fails no electricity when you need it most! Gas is the only way! Never seen a deere diesel start at -20 below unplugged after cold soak! Run a 2520 gas on a loader. To each his own but diesels not used grow bugs in the tanks and can ruin a pump!
 
2520 row crops in order of value (if everything else is equal, tires, paint, condition, etc)
1. 1972 diesel power shifts
2. all the other diesel powershifts
3. 1972 gas power shifts
4. all the other gas power shifts
5. all the diesel syncros
6. all the gas syncros

And you could very easy put diesel sycros in front of the gas power shifts

That said I know of diesel syncros bringing $21000+ and gas syncros bringing as little as $5000 or less.

For use I prefer a 2520 diesel syncro but I would only convert a gas to diesel for kicks, it will not make you any money.

My opinion and a buck will buy you a cup of coffee
 
DieselFume to help you with year 17000- 19415 [69]19416-21999[1970] 22000-22914[1971]22915-23865 1972. If you have 1st or last you have a rare tractor anything else you have a 2520 one of 6318.Power shift gas and diesels would be considered collectors due to low production.The 2520D are one of my favorites as they are handy and are a nice size just limited to what you can do with 60+ H.P.
 
We put a bigger radiator in a couple of them, but as in most times when a smaller unit is 'souped up' the Harmony of it all gets out of wack,,like the old man would say "Faster Horses need Better Wagons"
 
Ooh Fred I don't want trade places with you, but it was still well below Zero here in Ohio every night the past couple weeks, and we grind feed every day with a 4020 Diesel, I won't argue that a gas will start better than a Diesel in cold weather, I just like the performance of a Diesel over a gas engine in Deere Farm tractors.
 
ND is not the only place that gets cold winters. Look on a map and you will see some states that border ND along with the providences of Canada that get equally cold weather. That's good that gas powered tractors work good for you. The last gas tractor we bought was an IH 240U back in 1960. Since then gas tractors have been obsolete on this farm. And yes we do have livestock that requires a running tractor every day and we do get cold weather in MT.
 
(quoted from post at 21:48:43 03/06/15) This is a great conversation! I personally dont think you"ll ever run enough gas or diesel through one of these small tractors to make a huge difference in the long run. B&D'S seat of the pants dyno report cracks me up, and is entirely true, due to the diesel engine torque characteristics. Gasoline engines NEVER operate like their diesel counterparts.

As for the great torque topic. The natural aspirated gas tractor engine makes as much or more torque than the natural aspirated diesel of the same cubic inch.

While wonder way off topic here. The new Tier IV diesels can make a late 1960's early 1970's vintage gasoline farm tractor look good by comparison.
If it wasn't for the fact that diesel fuel is cheaper than gasoline in every 1st and 3rd World country other than the US and Canada. Tractor manufactures would be considering DI gassers in North American small light duty equipment. However US and Canadian customers have deep pockets to spend on diesel Tier IV emissions instead. That is better than loosing sales in every other country outside of North America.
Alas the good old days of the simpler cheaper, more reliable diesel engine and diesel being cheaper than gasoline ended in the mid 2000's. Thank you the EPA. You bunch of meddling new age new world order Gaia worshiping types .
Just wait for the Tier V emissions that penalize CO2 which is product of clean combustion.
 
If your diesel is in fair to good shape you can get them started no matter how cold it is,if you are deep in the sticks and don't have power you can warm one up with a space heater and a portable Gen set. We have been starting our 4020 in this cold weather with out plugging it in, it sets in an un-heated pole barn, it was below Zero here for the last couple weeks.. Gas engines in Deeres are hard to keep running nice, seems they are always needing the choke a bit or sputtering as the rev up, when they "are" running good they are good, it seems that diesels are just more dependable to me..Deere must have made the same decision in 1974...that's the year they discontinued them..
 
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Look at the difference in fuel consumption & drawbar pull between the gasoline & diesl engine.
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Gas tractors are a tough sell any way you look at it. You would have to find the one guy that would accept it for being a gas and is willing to pay your premium for it. That is a tall order though. The question I would ask myself if I was actually looking for a gas tractor like that to use around the farm is, would I pay a premium for a 72 2520 gas or would I go get a 3020 gas and pay half as much. I saw a nice 3020 gas with low hours sell at an auction last year that brought $3,500. Plus the 3020 gassers are much more abundant. You don't have to go far to get one and haul it home and they have a slight power advantage over the 2520, which is nice. Because of that, I think that in order to get the premium beyond 3020 gas prices, you'd have to find a collector in need of that piece.
 
yep it's a powershift for sure. She's far from collector condition, but if I can keep it together a few more years, it'll most likely be the tractor my kids grow up driving on.

I like the powershift for that purpose, and just ease of operation regardless. I've driven a sycroshift before, and I think that might be one of my worst experiences with John Deere ever. It's a terrible transmission.lol

My deere dealer told me a few years ago that the fact this 2520 is a gasser would mean it's not worth more than a few thousand bucks. Most likely won't be worth fixing once the powershift trans goes out of it. The engine I overhauled a few years ago.
 
Those number are right on for the era with diesel having 114% more energy per gallon and costing about 3/4 to 3/4 the price of gasoline. Hands down winner for a diesel in a HD application.
Lets see the numbers for a 2520 gas and diesel.
Moving ahead 4+ decades , diesel now costs more per btu than gasoline. New diesels have been made unnecessarily complex and expensive at the loss of reliability and low service costs.
Now consider the gasser 2520 for thousands of $$$ less for an odd jobs putting around seasonal tractor.
Come to think of it for somewhat of a tilted comparison. A 2520 gasser vs a new 60HP Tier IV emission diesel for an odd jobs tractor.
If the entire world was on a level playing field with US emissions and US fuel prices in every country. The small and light duty diesel market would shrink and be mostly replaced with DI gassers.
The US and Canada are getting jerked around by gasoline vs diesel prices and.................. As bad or worse is that diesel is cheaper in most countries around the world as gasoline is taxed as a luxury fuel. With diesel being less taxed as it's required for farming , industry and heavy transportation.
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You compare the gallons per hour and I will compare the $$$ per hour for fuel. Then the total $$$ per hour of tractor operation including purchase, service and fuel.
 
give him a chance jim, you take the diesel with a powershift to his gasser with sychro!

I really don't understand this argument. the 2520 gas engine is a gutless dog that wastes fuel. the diesel, isn't.

two summers ago when it was so hot, we pulled the 2520 off of the rake to hook up our 4630 with cab and A/C. looked like overkill, but that 4630 would run all day with the air on and use less fuel than the 2520 gas doing the same job.

you know it's a bad design when a 150 hp tractor that dyno'd at 178, can do the same light duty job with less fuel than a 60 hp gas tractor that weighs 2/3 less. lol
 
Nebraska tractor tests say-

diesel-

Drawbar fuel use (max): 4.0 gal/hour power shift

Drawbar fuel use (max): 4.0 gal/hour syncro

gasser-

Drawbar fuel use (max): 5.7 gal/hour powershift

Drawbar fuel use (max): 5.6 gal/hour snycro


Which means that the gasser uses 30% more fuel to the same job (if it can that's debatable).

Also figure in that the gas engine won't have the lifespan of the diesel, will have more tuneup costs. points every 300 hours or so, plugs/wires every couple years. plus your service call if you're not informed enough to setup a points ignition. your diesel tuneup costs are umm. well, nothing.

the gas engine can't pull itself out of a wet paper bag, and is in one word, undesirable. I have one. if I could have the diesel, I would in a second.
 
ok, now that I have egg on my face I noticed the conversation going on at the beginning of this thread.

Yes, If I had to choose between a gasser 2520 and a an emmisions era diesel of this century, hands down give me the gasser.


This is the same reason you're seeing guys that have been driving diesel pickups for their whole lives now start buying gas engines.

Gas is cheaper, fuel economy of new diesels is poor, and they don't hold together.
 
A 2520 on unleaded fuel and using a Pertronix ignition system will require a minimum of tune up activity.
Yes it was grim in the days of leaded gasoline and points ignition.
 
A good majority of gas powered tractors either have a worn out govenor or not properly adjusted, or both. I think most gas tractors get knocked because of this. Ive plowed with a couple awesome running gas tractors, and with tje govenor spot on, keep right up with the rest. The EPA bs is a topic for another day.
 
(quoted from post at 19:00:11 03/07/15)
You compare the gallons per hour and I will compare the $$$ per hour for fuel. Then the total $$$ per hour of tractor operation including purchase, service and fuel.

My 65 pto HP tractor uses 2 GPH pulling a 9'3'' disc cutter. Now that you're fighting a loosing battle you want to throw in purchase price. So far the only thing I spent in 1000 hrs of operation is maintenance items such as oil & filters. This next hay season I'll be using $2 per gallon fuel. So warm up your calculator.
 
(quoted from post at 14:02:55 03/08/15)
(quoted from post at 19:00:11 03/07/15)
You compare the gallons per hour and I will compare the $$$ per hour for fuel. Then the total $$$ per hour of tractor operation including purchase, service and fuel.

My 65 pto HP tractor uses 2 GPH pulling a 9'3'' disc cutter. Now that you're fighting a loosing battle you want to throw in purchase price. So far the only thing I spent in 1000 hrs of operation is maintenance items such as oil & filters. This next hay season I'll be using $2 per gallon fuel. So warm up your calculator.

Your 65HP tractor would have to be operating at 32.5HP per gallon per hour which even a texan BS shooter like your self knows is not possible. Best a small diesel tractor will do is about 15-16HP per gallon per hour at full load. Part load is even less at 10-12HP per gallon per hour or even lower.
As I said with your $2 fuel the diesel fuel savings won't pay for the extra fuel use on a 2520 unless it's being used at full power for at least 300-500+ hours a year.
Any time Bubba complains about a gas vs diesel in the otherwise identical chassis has no power and is a fuel hog. It's because Bubba can't figure out how to trouble shoot a carb and ignition system.
 
(quoted from post at 13:59:58

Your 65HP tractor would have to be operating at 32.5HP per gallon per hour which even a texan BS shooter like your self knows is not possible.
. It's because Bubba can't figure out how to trouble shoot a carb and ignition system.

NO BS my tractor only has a 23 gallon tank and it will cut hay for over 11 hrs without adding any diesel
 
(quoted from post at 15:08:13 03/08/15)
(quoted from post at 13:59:58

Your 65HP tractor would have to be operating at 32.5HP per gallon per hour which even a texan BS shooter like your self knows is not possible.
. It's because Bubba can't figure out how to trouble shoot a carb and ignition system.

NO BS my tractor only has a 23 gallon tank and it will cut hay for over 11 hrs without adding any diesel

Check the Nebraska test results instead of the Mark I seat of the pants Bubba dyno.
 
(quoted from post at 14:10:51 03/08/15)

NO BS my tractor only has a 23 gallon tank and it will cut hay for over 11 hrs without adding any diesel

Check the Nebraska test results instead of the Mark I seat of the pants Bubba dyno.[/quote]

I'm unaware of a Nebraska test for a Kubota M7040!!!!!!!!
 
(quoted from post at 16:37:01 03/08/15)
(quoted from post at 14:10:51 03/08/15)

NO BS my tractor only has a 23 gallon tank and it will cut hay for over 11 hrs without adding any diesel

Check the Nebraska test results instead of the Mark I seat of the pants Bubba dyno.

I'm unaware of a Nebraska test for a Kubota M7040!!!!!!!![/quote]

You terrible non patriotic American using a Kubota instead of a tractor built in the USA. Shame on you.
 
(quoted from post at 21:03:08 03/08/15)



You terrible non patriotic American using a Kubota instead of a tractor built in the USA. Shame on you.

May I ask what brand of tractor that you're referring to is built in USA not merely assembled in USA with foreign made components???
 
(quoted from post at 08:04:05 03/09/15)
(quoted from post at 21:03:08 03/08/15)



You terrible non patriotic American using a Kubota instead of a tractor built in the USA. Shame on you.

May I ask what brand of tractor that you're referring to is built in USA not merely assembled in USA with foreign made components???

Something orange that exceeds the fuel efficiency of any 65HP tractor tested in Nebraska. I suppose that is why they didn't want anybody to know.
 
esox21 asked what his tractor was worth and got 50 replies from being unpatriotic to how much fuel a Kubota uses to a couple that actually had a number.I like posts that get response and this one sure did.Basically all in fun and sharing knowledge.
 
(quoted from post at 11:39:00 03/09/15) esox21 asked what his tractor was worth and got 50 replies from being unpatriotic to how much fuel a Kubota uses to a couple that actually had a number.I like posts that get response and this one sure did.Basically all in fun and sharing knowledge.

This thread has veered off the beaten trail for SURE.
 
(quoted from post at 11:37:57 03/09/15)


Something orange that exceeds the fuel efficiency of any 65HP tractor tested in Nebraska. I suppose that is why they didn't want anybody to know.

b&d
Just keep your ear to the ground listening for the thundering hooves of the Kubota tractors!!!!!!
 
Esopx 21 saw your tractor on photo ads and it is very nice hope you find someone who will appreciate it.I assume it has been repainted if not it is very nice original
 
Yeah it's an older repaint, I know it's not a diesel, but it is a lower production tractor. In the end with today's tractors very few of these tractors on here are practical with today's large scale farms. I'm sure there are several that would disagree. In the end it's about collecting. Remembering our past, and just enjoying tractors. I think some forget that just because you have a tractor does not mean your a several thousand acre farmer. Believe it or not but there are a lot of people that just collect tractors. Plus I'm sure there are several on here with 10 plus tractors older then 1972 that are used just a few times a year if any at all.
 
Since Jim says tread has veered of trail' This is what it reminds me of : Larry do you remember this "71" 4000 of Kyle's from a few yr's back. Kyle H. worked hard & very diligently to get it sold. I'm guessing 100+ ads in craigslist, [all across the country] & YT classifieds & photo ads etc. for several Yrs. at 20 grand", He found his buyer & did get it sold. I wander if he got his asking price... Lots of interesting comments by some familiar members, in YT Archives' .. [heres a few]
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Long green line Kyle actually called me a few times and I think he did get it sold for close to what he wanted.Low houred originals are so scarce that it is hard to put a number on them Original , restored, and like new are words used often in ads and most of the time not exactly as stated.
 

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