Don't want to hear about hard starting

John Saeli · Dec 14, 2017

Feed mill called early this afternoon & wanted to load Triticale in about an hour. Bin is @ the other place, 4 miles from here. Wanted to use the 730 w/ Loader to run the auger so when we are all done, we are able to empty the hopper & dump it in the truck. Everything cleaned up. I get over there, sun is to the west, 730 in the lean-to on the East side, in the shade, temp is 16 degrees. I pulled the pick up alongside & hooked up the jumpers and let the truck top off the batteries while I got the auger ready. The 730 was not plugged in. After about 10 minutes, I jumped on the 730, ran the starter till smoke rolled out the exhaust, about 5 seconds. I then ran the manifold heater for 45 seconds, waited 10 seconds, hit the starter & she started.
Why?? Because I did the valve job some years ago & did not grind valve or seats, I replaced them.

1370rod · Dec 14, 2017

John that little bit extra compression really makes a difference. In the 730 and 930's I have installed the overbore kits and those also improved starting for the same reason I'm sure. With the manifold heater our 730 always starts at 30, can't say I tried it at colder temps cause then it would get plugged in. Rod.

jon f mn · Dec 15, 2017

I hope you are correct. I had my 1030 heads done a and they ground the valves and I didnt like how it started. Since I have them off again I sent them back to be done right. Hope that helps.

Lazy WP · Dec 15, 2017

Its interesting how tractors start. For the first 6 years I owned my 800, it was the poorest starting tractor I had ever been around. I put new batteries, cables, ends and solenoid on it. Now it will start down to about 10 with no heat, or either. Always before I would have to either it if it was below 50.
Just for the record it has a compression release and if you give her a real good spin, then throw the compression to it, it will start almost instantly. I am sure the first few years, it ran on as much either as diesel, and she still loves me.

John Saeli · Dec 15, 2017

Did you & I have a discussion about those heads?

jon f mn · Dec 15, 2017

Several I believe. Hopefully they will be right this time.

John Saeli · Dec 16, 2017

Did you find the cause of that engine calamity yet? Do you trust that shop to get it right this time?

jon f mn · Dec 16, 2017

I think he has it now, he just didn't know about thhe starting issue. I haven't found a reason for the failure yet. Will run oil through it after its assembled to see if I can find a problem.

JHH · Dec 16, 2017

One other trick I've learned is to crank the starter 15 seconds before you you put fuel to it. Warms the combustion chamber. Had a Fox Super D chopper with a 471 Detroit back in late 60's, that was part of the cold weather starting instructions.

Ande · Dec 16, 2017

Yes John, when they wont start, it tells the story doesn't it.

D-C-741 · Dec 16, 2017

You got Lucky the other day ! Plug in a good 1500 or 2000 watt Tank heater and they will start in 20 -30 min . or Use starting fluid with Heptain =the good stuff /or use 24 volts on the starter ? or put a 2090 or 2290 Starter in those 30 Series along with 2 Group 31 Heavy Duty 1100 Cranking amp Batterys .Any of these allways works for us when needed. or the Best is for US is to just get out the Gas 530-730-830-930-970 Tractors =Pull Choke ;Turn Key =Running + go to work after they run for a few min.

John Saeli · Dec 18, 2017

Luck had nothing to do with it. I asked in an earlier post if you still had that DC w/ Foot Clutch for sale, but you did not answer.

L.Fure · Dec 18, 2017

(quoted from post at 03:17:39 12/15/17) Feed mill called early this afternoon & wanted to load Triticale in about an hour. Bin is @ the other place, 4 miles from here. Wanted to use the 730 w/ Loader to run the auger so when we are all done, we are able to empty the hopper & dump it in the truck. Everything cleaned up. I get over there, sun is to the west, 730 in the lean-to on the East side, in the shade, temp is 16 degrees. I pulled the pick up alongside & hooked up the jumpers and let the truck top off the batteries while I got the auger ready. The 730 was not plugged in. After about 10 minutes, I jumped on the 730, ran the starter till smoke rolled out the exhaust, about 5 seconds. I then ran the manifold heater for 45 seconds, waited 10 seconds, hit the starter & she started.
Why?? Because I did the valve job some years ago & did not grind valve or seats, I replaced them.

I never have owned a diesel tractor, because of cold weather grief. My experience was mostly with other peoples tractors that I had no control over its repair history. All the tractors I have now are the best starting gas engines I have ever seen. The two Case tractors only need about half choke to get it started on the second piston that reaches the compression stroke. Run it for a few seconds, push the choke in, and it's ready to go. No coughing or sputtering while driving it out of the barn. The Ford 8N needs a full choke to get it started, but I have to shove the choke in after it starts or it will start to flood the carburetor. All of them need to have the carburetors worked on, because of air leaking through the butterfly shaft. I have to adjust the idle screw nearly all the way in to make it run smooth at idle speed, but I really don't want to jinx the way they start and run on cold days.

D-C-741 · Dec 18, 2017

yes i did answer, a few days later.sure it's for sale .I'll take the Highest Bid on It.

John Saeli · Dec 19, 2017

Any pictures? Description? You deliver?

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